Rob Bell, pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church in Grandville, MI, has a new book that has been published recently and is making waves. To promote it, he produced a video. Below is a transcript of that video. In response to the video, Jeremy Grinnell, Asst. Prof. of Systematic Theology at Grand Rapids Theological Seminary, wrote a short piece and his friend, Mike Wittmer, published it on his blog. Which point of view do you agree with?
Rob Bell’s video transcript:
Several years ago we had an art show at our church and people brought in all kinds of sculptures, and paintings, and we put them on display. And there was this one piece that had a quote from Gandhi in it; and lots of people found this piece compeling. They’d stop and sort of stare at it, and take it in, and reflect on it—but not everybody found it that compelling. Somewhere in the course of the art show somebody attached a hand-written note to the piece, and on the note they had written: “Reality Check—He’s In Hell.”
Gandhi’s in hell? He is? And someone knows this, for sure; and felt the need to let the rest of us know? Will only a few, select, people make it to heaven? And will billions and billions of people burn forever in hell? And, if that’s the case, how do you become one of the few? Is it what you believe; or what you say, or what you do, or who you know—or something that happens in your heart? Or do you need to be initiated, or baptized, or take a class, or converted, or being born again—how does one become one of these few?
And then there is the question behind the questions, the real question: What is God like? Because millions and millions of people were taught that the primary message—the center of the Gospel of Jesus—is that God is going to send you to hell, unless you believe in Jesus. And so, what gets, subtlely, sort of caught and taught is that Jesus rescues you from God. But what kind of God is that; that we would need to be rescued from this God? How could that God ever be good; how could that God ever be trusted? And how could that ever be good news.
This is why lots of people want nothing to do with the Christian faith. They see it as an endless list of absurdities and inconsistencies; and they say: “Why would I ever want to be part of that?” See, what we believe about heaven and hell is incredibly important because it exposes what we believe about Who God is, and what God is like. What you discover in the Bible is so surprising, unexpected, and beautiful, that whatever we’ve been told or taught, the good news is actually better than that; better than we could ever imagine.
The good news is, that love wins.
Jeremy Grinnell’s response:
Several years ago I was touring a holocaust museum, and I was deeply moved the images of suffering and inhuman brutality that I saw there. And near the end of the tour on the wall was a picture of Hitler standing in front of the Eifel Tower in Paris. I and many who were with me were struck by the idea of Hitler enjoying the beauties of Paris while at the same moment one of the greatest genocides the world has ever known was being carried out on his orders. But apparently not everyone saw it exactly the same way. Sometime in the previous few hours, somebody had attached a hand written note to the picture, and on the note they had written, “It’s okay because God forgave Hitler too.”
God forgave Hitler? He did? And someone knows this for sure? And felt the need for the rest of us to know? Do the most evil and unrepentant people in history, remaining what they are, still make it to heaven? And what of those who aren’t quite so evil as that—Child molesters, racists, drug lords. And what of the rest of us who only yell at our children, cut people off on the highway, and cheat on our taxes? And what makes our evil less and Hitler’s more? Is it the number of people you hurt? Or how badly? Or whether anyone else knows? Or whether you meant to? And what if you’re the one who was molested or your loved ones murdered because of their ethnicity?
And then there’s the question behind the question? The real question… What is God like? Because millions and millions were taught that the primary message of the gospel of Jesus Christ is that God is willing to forgive everybody no matter who they are or what evils they’ve committed against the rest of us. So what gets subtly sort of caught and taught is that God is willing to forgive the perpetrators of evil, regardless of whether or not their victims ever see justice. That God is willing to let slide things that we mustn’t. But what kind of God is that? Can a God so uninterested in justice be good? How can that God ever be trusted? How could that ever be…good…news?
This is why lots of people want nothing to do with the Christian faith. They see it as an endless list of absurdities and inconsistencies, and say, “why would I ever want to be a part of that?” See what we believe about heaven and hell is incredibly important because it exposes what we believe about who God is and what God is like. What you discover in the bible is so surprising, and unexpected, and beautiful, that whatever we’ve been told or taught, the good news is even better than that, better than we can ever imagine. It means pure and perfect justice, no wrong accusations, no punishments that don’t fit the crime, no hidden motives, no unaccounted pains or sorrows. But overflowing compensation for anyone who’s ever been hurt or betrayed.
The good news is that “justice wins.”